Where to carry out Wave 3 Disruption?

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Should AusMM have a primary focus on one, two or more major cities? AusMM is designed to integrate and facilitate state and regional efforts by providing focussed and consistent national messaging and strategy across the country. However, we do aim to concentrate our efforts in major city centres where economic actvity can be effectively disrupted and where national media will be present. And the greater this concentration the better. This will require tens of thousands of people being involved in each city in order to be successful. The question is where do we concentrate that effort - and do we have the capacity to hold two cities for a week or more?

Melbourne and Sydney Option:

This would enable people from say the ACT and Brisbane to travel to Sydney if they wanted to be part of a sustained week long blockade of a major capital city. Rebels from Adelaide and Tasmania could also travel to Melbourne. Sydney may be too far for Adelaide and Tasmania so Melbourne provides an option for people in these regions. The question is would XR be better concentrating its efforts in one major city - or two. Two seems possible given Melbourne and Sydney both have very large populations with a very vibrant activist and protest culture. And holding our two major iconic cities for a week would make a much greater impact - both nationally and overseas. Once we start the blockade and hold intersections in each city with our core group of arrestables and support crew then that will hopefully create its own momentum bringing hundreds of more people onto the streets each day to join the party. Once we hit national and international news XR will be all that people are talking about - as occured in the UK in April 2019. Then the media does our outreach for us and people flock to the city to see what is happeneing - and to join in (which will require on site - or nearby - NVCD training for newcomers).

Tens of thousands came to the Jan 10 Bushfire protests so the momentum and willingness to come out on to the streets is there - it is a matter of harnessing that energy, organsising it and focussing it in one or two places at the same time. Hopefully if we hold a space and have DJ’s, music and arts then more and more people will flood the streets to join the fun. Once you have a few thousand it will hopefully snowball with the authorities and Federal government wedged - they either crackdown in a draconian manner and produce a backlash or they negotiate.

Additionally holding these two cities makes it more of a national event as opposed to a state event. If we just hold one city is it possible the Federal government will refuse to act and leave it to state authorities? Holding two cities may make this response more unlikely?

Then there is Perth. Perth would probably have their own action co-ordinated with the east coast as it is too far for people to travel across the continent - which could nevertheless be co-ordinated with our national series of actions and our national messaging strategy. In this sense with a focus on major capitals on the east coast other states and regions are included - that is they can in act in solidarity with the major blockades in the most populous cities in the country.

This may be a way of reconciling our primary focus of concentrating our efforts in one or two major cities with an integated national plan that can incorporate other states as well as regional centres who wish to be part of that national event.

Intersted in people’s thoughts.

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#2

I think this is really a whole new thread?

In terms of shutting down major business hubs the two city option makes sense. It would be good however to have some show of support in other states. My only other thought is that thousands of people heading from Tasmania to Melbourne would burn an awful lot of fossil fuel.

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#3

I’ve moved it into a dedicated topic :slight_smile:

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#4

I think everything you have suggested is spot on Sydney and Melbourne makes sense and there location is good for most people, also being large city’s to maximise disruption.

#5

This proposal is honestly not up to scratch, Melb+ Syd + Perth is 3 cities out of 7 ( if you include Canberra). Either we should do one big national mobilisation in one city and concentrate our resources against the state infrastructure in that area or it should just be done again in all state capitals to minimise the logistical challenges of moving lots of people around. I think it should be Sydney or all state capitals.

#6

This quote resonated with me and I’m in Tasmania. Bass Strait is hard to get across but we could be a ‘virtual presence’.

#7

Hi Max - why Sydney? Why not the two biggest cities on the East Coast that have the concentration of finance and other decision makers? And then maybe WA if they can mobilise effectively - they are pretty organised. This quote resonated with me. I’m across Bass Strait and will probably not be there in person but will be mobilising Tassie rebels! “Additionally holding these two cities makes it more of a national event as opposed to a state event. If we just hold one city is it possible the Federal government will refuse to act and leave it to state authorities? Holding two cities may make this response more unlikely?” plotinus

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I think the point that needs considering is if we focus on one (or two) major cities does that exclude people from all around the country from being involved? Even if it were just Sydney (or just Melbourne) then other capitals (and regional centres) would want to get involved. But it is unlikely that small cities such as Hobart, Adelaide (or possibly Perth) have the capacity to blockade a CBD for up to a week - which is the aim of Aus Mass Mobiliation. That is the rationale behind focussing on one or two major cities - but we still need to provide ways that people from all around the country can be involved - either by travelling to the major capitals on the eastern seaboard - or holding smaller actions in their own region in soldarity with the larger actions. It is how we balance the need for intense concentration in one or two cities with enabling people from across the continent to be involved.

#9

My view is that it would be useful to think strategically and creatively about where to carry out Wave 3 Disruption. I thought the phases of Aus MM included a phase where a significant action was undertaken in each state capital; followed by a mass action that would be significant for Australia (ie put pressure on the Aust govt). I think having one mass action and holding space for a week is ambitious enough: we do not have the population of the UK so holding more than one space is likely to be counter-productive and weaken our impact. The issue is how do we decide where? Would this come down to the core messaging? If we target the finance sector, then Sydney seems logical; if we target industry, then where are their HQs? if we target the Federal Govt then where are their pressure points (its only Canberra when they are actually sitting)? These are strategic questions for action planning and I would like to hear the thoughts and ideas of those involved in this aspect of AMM.

I know that its going to be difficult to get everyone to a mass mobilisation in one city, but it might be easier than trying to get them to two (or more cities). It’s likely that this is also not going to be the ONLY time that we will be having a national mobilisation - we can go somewhere different next time! Maybe we can find creative ways of increasing our presence virtually; or making the trip to wherever more affordable and easier for rebels to get to (though this doesn’t off-set the carbon footprint of travel across our distances, but it might help some rebels get there). Strategy and creative thinking could guide our decisions on this question.

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Hi Cass
Why Sydney, because it is the largest city and the capital of the largest state, Sydney is a far more significant city, culturally (first city, bridge, Oprah house), economically (capital of NSW which has about 1/3 of Aus pop in it) and politically ( has PM and opposition leader most of the time). Sydney is also heaps easier to blockade than Melbourne ( whose grid system has major arterial avoiding CBD)
and effective disruption is half of the strategy, along with disruption to incarceration systems/cops, the former is very hard in Melbourne. The point of concentrating resources and people is because we don’t have enough of either to fight well on all fronts but could with combined resources potentially pose a bigger threat to state apparatus and generate genuine leverage/stress on governments.
If people are required to travel we will have lower overall participation, why would risk that only to dull it’s impact by dividing our strength between two places? Also why 2 cities not 3 or 4 ? especially when Bris has so far had by far the highest number of arrests and disruptive actions.
Its just a half cooked strategy, it doesn’t maximise participation and doesn’t maximise the impact of Direct action and mass arrest vs law enforcement. If we are gonna centralise, which I don’t think we should until we have significant momentum again anyway, we should just bite the bullet and do it properly. We need to get of our knees again and momentum will be harder to gain again because XR is no longer fresh, i think we should mobilise around state capitals again until we’ve got big momentum then maybe head to Sydney the the final showdown, but lets be honest we are a long way from that at the moment.

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#11

If it was decided to say hold Sydney does that mean XR members in Melbourne who do not want to travel to Sydney miss out - do they just stay home? Melbourne has a large progressive population and there were if I remember rightly up to 20,000 on the streets for the Jan 10 bushfire protests. It seems the energy and numbers are there - it might just be a matter of organising and harnesing it?

#12

I think the idea is not so much to disrupt specfic companies or politcians but to bring major cities to a halt and cause financial disruption. This then creates a dilema for the government where they either enact draconian measures - thereby producing in thoery a backlash effect - or they meet our demands. It is the dilema created by blockading major CBD’s (the finacial and business hubs of the country) that then forces the government into a corner where they have to act. That is my understanding of the strategy.

#13

I think we should take into account a balance of factors here. Here I’ve played with a bunch of the data to look at how different targeting scenarios might impact participation.

Data

Here’s Australia’s population listed by State / Territory (not counting overseas territories):

State Postal Capital Population Percentage Cumulative
(Jun 2019)[3]
New South Wales NSW Sydney 8,089,526 31.899% 31.899%
Victoria VIC Melbourne 6,594,804 26.005% 57.903%
Queensland QLD Brisbane 5,095,100 20.091% 77.994%
Western Australia WA Perth[n 2] 2,621,680 10.338% 88.332%
South Australia SA Adelaide 1,751,693 6.907% 95.240%
Tasmania TAS Hobart 534,281 2.107% 97.346%
Australian Capital Territory ACT Canberra 426,709 1.683% 99.029%
Northern Territory NT Darwin 245,869 0.970% 99.998%

Here’s a map of Australian population centers:

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And here’s a list of urban population centers with a population over 10,000 from Wikipedia (data from June 2018 Census):

Rank GCCSA/SUA State/Territory June 2018[2] 2011 Census[3] Growth Percentage of Cumulative Percentage
Population national population (June 2018)
1 Sydney New South Wales 5,230,330 4,391,674 19.10% 20.93% 20.93%
2 Melbourne Victoria 4,936,349 3,999,982 24.08% 19.86% 40.79%
3 Brisbane Queensland 2,462,637 2,065,996 19.20% 9.85% 50.64%
4 Perth Western Australia 2,059,484 1,728,867 19.12% 8.24% 58.88%
5 Adelaide South Australia 1,345,777 1,262,940 6.56% 5.38% 64.26%
6 Gold Coast–Tweed Heads Queensland/New South Wales 679,127 557,822 21.75% 2.72% 66.98%
7 Newcastle–Maitland New South Wales 486,704 398,770 22.05% 1.95% 68.93%
8 Canberra–Queanbeyan Australian Capital Territory/New South Wales 457,563 391,645 16.83% 1.83% 70.76%
9 Sunshine Coast Queensland 333,436 270,770 23.14% 1.33% 72.09%
10 Wollongong New South Wales 302,739 268,944 12.57% 1.21% 73.30%
11 Geelong Victoria 268,277 173,454 54.67% 1.07% 74.37%
12 Hobart Tasmania 232,606 211,656 9.90% 0.93% 75.30%
13 Townsville Queensland 180,820 162,292 11.42% 0.72% 76.02%
14 Cairns Queensland 152,729 133,911 14.05% 0.61% 76.63%
15 Darwin Northern Territory 148,564 120,586 23.20% 0.59% 77.22%
16 Toowoomba Queensland 136,861 105,984 29.13% 0.55% 77.77%
17 Ballarat Victoria 105,471 91,801 14.89% 0.42% 78.19%
18 Bendigo Victoria 99,122 86,079 15.15% 0.40% 78.59%
19 Albury–Wodonga New South Wales/Victoria 93,603 82,083 14.03% 0.37% 78.96%
20 Launceston Tasmania 87,382 82,220 6.21% 0.35% 79.31%
21 Mackay Queensland 80,148 77,293 3.69% 0.32% 79.63%
22 Rockhampton Queensland 78,592 73,681 6.67% 0.31% 79.94%
23 Bunbury Western Australia 74,363 65,608 13.34% 0.30% 80.24%
24 Coffs Harbour New South Wales 71,822 64,243 11.80% 0.29% 80.53%
25 Bundaberg Queensland 70,921 67,341 5.32% 0.28% 80.81%
26 Wagga Wagga New South Wales 56,442 52,042 8.45% 0.23% 81.04%
27 Hervey Bay Queensland 54,674 48,680 12.31% 0.22% 81.26%
28 Mildura–Wentworth Victoria/New South Wales 51,903 47,536 9.19% 0.21% 81.47%
29 Shepparton–Mooroopna Victoria 51,631 46,505 11.02% 0.21% 81.68%
30 Port Macquarie New South Wales 47,973 41,723 14.98% 0.19% 81.87%
31 Gladstone–Tannum Sands Queensland 45,130 41,966 7.54% 0.18% 82.05%
32 Tamworth New South Wales 42,872 38,735 10.68% 0.17% 82.22%
33 Traralgon–Morwell Victoria 41,984 39,705 5.74% 0.17% 82.39%
34 Orange New South Wales 40,493 36,468 11.04% 0.16% 82.55%
35 Bowral–Mittagong New South Wales 39,887 34,858 14.43% 0.16% 82.71%
36 Busselton Western Australia 38,921 30,286 28.51% 0.16% 82.87%
37 Dubbo New South Wales 38,392 33,997 12.93% 0.15% 83.02%
38 Warragul–Drouin Victoria 37,928 29,944 26.66% 0.15% 83.17%
39 Geraldton Western Australia 37,648 35,749 5.31% 0.15% 83.32%
40 Nowra–Bomaderry New South Wales 37,420 33,338 12.24% 0.15% 83.47%
41 Bathurst New South Wales 36,801 32,479 13.31% 0.15% 83.62%
42 Warrnambool Victoria 35,214 32,380 8.75% 0.14% 83.76%
43 Albany Western Australia 34,205 30,656 11.58% 0.14% 83.90%
44 Devonport Tasmania 30,297 29,051 4.29% 0.12% 84.02%
45 Kalgoorlie–Boulder Western Australia 29,849 30,842 −3.22% 0.12% 84.14%
46 Mount Gambier South Australia 29,639 27,756 6.78% 0.12% 84.26%
47 Lismore New South Wales 28,720 28,285 1.54% 0.11% 84.37%
48 Nelson Bay New South Wales 28,051 25,074 11.87% 0.11% 84.48%
49 Maryborough Queensland 27,282 26,214 4.07% 0.11% 84.59%
50 Burnie–Wynyard Tasmania 27,174 26,869 1.15% 0.11% 84.70%
51 Alice Springs Northern Territory 26,534 25,186 5.35% 0.11% 84.81%
52 Victor Harbor–Goolwa South Australia 26,532 23,850 11.25% 0.11% 84.92%
53 Ballina New South Wales 26,381 23,509 12.22% 0.11% 85.03%
54 Taree New South Wales 26,381 25,421 3.78% 0.11% 85.14%
55 Morisset–Cooranbong New South Wales 25,309 21,774 16.23% 0.10% 85.24%
56 Armidale New South Wales 24,504 22,464 9.08% 0.10% 85.34%
57 Goulburn New South Wales 23,835 21,484 10.94% 0.10% 85.44%
58 Whyalla South Australia 21,742 21,991 −1.13% 0.09% 85.53%
59 Gympie Queensland 21,599 19,510 10.71% 0.09% 85.62%
60 Echuca–Moama Victoria 21,242 19,309 10.01% 0.08% 85.70%
61 Forster–Tuncurry New South Wales 21,159 19,500 6.51% 0.08% 85.78%
62 Griffith New South Wales 20,251 17,900 13.13% 0.08% 85.86%
63 Wangaratta Victoria 19,318 17,686 9.23% 0.08% 85.94%
64 St Georges Basin–Sanctuary Point New South Wales 19,251 12,611 52.65% 0.08% 86.02%
65 Grafton New South Wales 19,078 18,359 3.92% 0.08% 86.10%
66 Yeppoon Queensland 19,003 16,372 16.07% 0.08% 86.18%
67 Murray Bridge South Australia 18,779 16,708 12.40% 0.08% 86.26%
68 Mount Isa Queensland 18,588 20,569 −9.63% 0.07% 86.33%
69 Camden Haven New South Wales 17,835 15,741 13.30% 0.07% 86.40%
70 Broken Hill New South Wales 17,734 18,517 −4.23% 0.07% 86.47%
71 Moe–Newborough Victoria 16,812 16,674 0.83% 0.07% 86.54%
72 Karratha Western Australia 16,708 16,476 1.41% 0.07% 86.61%
73 Horsham Victoria 16,514 15,894 3.90% 0.07% 86.68%
74 Batemans Bay New South Wales 16,485 15,733 4.78% 0.07% 86.75%
75 Singleton New South Wales 16,346 16,135 1.31% 0.07% 86.82%
76 Port Lincoln South Australia 16,326 15,221 7.26% 0.07% 86.89%
77 Ulladulla New South Wales 16,213 14,149 14.59% 0.06% 86.95%
78 Bairnsdale Victoria 15,411 13,243 16.37% 0.06% 87.01%
79 Warwick Queensland 15,380 14,607 5.29% 0.06% 87.07%
80 Kempsey New South Wales 15,309 14,494 5.62% 0.06% 87.13%
81 Sale Victoria 15,021 14,258 5.35% 0.06% 87.19%
82 Ulverstone Tasmania 14,490 14,109 2.70% 0.06% 87.25%
83 Broome Western Australia 14,445 12,766 13.15% 0.06% 87.31%
84 Port Hedland Western Australia 14,320 13,772 3.98% 0.06% 87.37%
85 Port Pirie South Australia 14,188 14,043 1.03% 0.06% 87.43%
86 Emerald Queensland 14,119 13,219 6.81% 0.06% 87.49%
87 Port Augusta South Australia 13,799 13,658 1.03% 0.06% 87.55%
88 Lithgow New South Wales 12,973 12,249 5.91% 0.05% 87.60%
89 Colac Victoria 12,547 11,778 6.53% 0.05% 87.65%
90 Mudgee New South Wales 12,410 10,483 18.38% 0.05% 87.70%
91 Muswellbrook New South Wales 12,364 11,791 4.86% 0.05% 87.75%
92 Esperance Western Australia 12,145 11,432 6.24% 0.05% 87.80%
93 Parkes New South Wales 11,224 10,941 2.59% 0.04% 87.84%
94 Swan Hill Victoria 11,103 10,430 6.45% 0.04% 87.88%
95 Portland Victoria 10,900 10,715 1.73% 0.04% 87.92%
96 Kingaroy Queensland 10,398 9,808 6.02% 0.04% 87.96%

I added the last column onto that chart, to give a bit of an indication how much of the national population has been accounted for as you scroll down the chart. You can see that once you’ve counted the first 20 or so cities you really start to see smaller and smaller gains, with almost 80% of the national population situated within the top 20 urban centers. From the 21st city onwards you to the 96th (Kingaroy, population 10,398), you have 8.3% of the national population, and over half of that are in NSW or Victoria.

Now, of those top 20, all are within 11 hours drive of Sydney and Melbourne with the exception of Perth, Hobart, Townsville, Cairns, Darwin, and Launceston.

So, from all of this, we can say that all of NSW and Vic (57% of national population, as well as Brisbane (9.85%), Adelaide (5.38%), Gold Coast (2.7%), ACT (1.8%), Sunshine Coast (1.33%), and Toowoomba (0.55%)
are within a days drive (with breaks) of Sydney and Melbourne. That adds up to around 79% of the national population in that catchment area.

Some basic rough modeling.

My opinion is that participation drops the longer the drive is, and drops precipitously if people have to drive for two days or more - and that most people are not up for driving 15 hours in one day.

So that is to say:

  • Rebels are highly likely to attend a major mobilisation within their own city (let’s assume 99% - otherwise are they really a rebel?).
  • They are very likely to attend a major mobilisation within 3 hours drive (let’s say 85%).
  • They are pretty likely to attend a major mobilisation within one day’s drive (let’s say 50%).
  • Some of them will make the effort to go as far as required (let’s say a generous estimate of 30%)

And let’s assume that the number of rebels in a place after our mobilisers have done their thing is proportional to the population.

I therefore think if we limit the 3rd wave to Sydney only, we would be cutting off significant amounts of participation due to the distance - Adelaide rebels would have a long way to go, and we’d be dropping participation.

Obviously this is a bit of a guesstimate - we could probably improve the model with more direct data by directly asking people what they would be willing to do as part of the pledge (@Mad_Mattho).

We can then plug in numbers of the populations in different catchment areas based on different plans.

Sydney Only

  • Rebel population of Sydney is highly likely to attend.
    Sydney’s rebel population is 21% of the nation - 99% likely to attend.

  • There are three major cities within 3 hours drive (Canberra, Wollongong, and Newcastle) - adding up to 1.95 + 1.83 + 1.21 = 5% that are 85% likely to attend.

  • The rest of the rebels in NSW are somewhere up to a days drive from Sydney. They make up 32% - 26% = 7% of rebels, and we’ll average them between 85% and 50% to be at 73% likelihood to attend (we could calculate this better using excel but for now it’s rough).

  • And Melbourne and half of the rest of Victoria are also about a day’s drive to Sydney, so we can add them in (25% of rebels) at 50% likelihood to attend.

  • Southeast Queensland (Brisbane, Gold Coast, Sunshine Coast and Toowoomba) are also about a day’s drive. They make up 9.85% + 2.72% + 1.33% + 0.55% = 14.45% of rebels - at 50% likelihood to attend.

  • The rest of the country - that’s 27.5% of the population - have a long trip to get to Sydney, and are 30% likely to attend.

Summarizing in a table it looks like this:

Population Area Proportion of Rebels Likeliness Percentage of Rebels Attending in Sydney
Greater Sydney 0.21 0.99 0.2079
Canberra, Wollongong, Newcastle 0.05 0.85 0.0425
Rest of NSW 0.07 0.73 0.0511
Melbourne and half of Victoria 0.25 0.5 0.125
Brisbane, Gold Coast, Sunshine Coast, Toowoomba 0.145 0.5 0.0725
Rest of country 0.275 0.3 0.0825
Total: 0.5815

That is to say that around 58% of rebels would attend a major mobilisation in Sydney assuming the above likeliness values.

Sydney and Melbourne

If we mobilise to block both Sydney and Melbourne, the major changes are that far more people are within a target city, within 3 hours of a target city, or within a days drive of a target city.
A major addition to the catchment area is Adelaide with 5.4% of the population.

The table looks like this:

Population Area Proportion of Rebels Likeliness Percentage of Rebels Attending in Sydney
Greater Sydney & Greater Melbourne 0.41 0.99 0.4059
Canberra, Wollongong, Newcastle, Geelong, Ballarat, Bendigo 0.07 0.85 0.0595
Rest of NSW and Vic 0.1 0.73 0.073
Adelaide 0.05 0.5 0.025
Brisbane, Gold Coast, Sunshine Coast, Toowoomba 0.145 0.5 0.0725
Rest of country 0.225 0.3 0.0675
Total: 0.7034

Under this scenario about 70% of rebels nationwide attend the mobilizations in Sydney and Melbourne.

Sydney, Melbourne and Perth

4 out of 5 West Australians live in Perth.
Here I’ve taken the above data and assumed that many Perthicans might not want to make the 3 day trip across country and instead try to block Perth, a major mining industry capital.
I haven’t changed things for other towns in WA - which would add up to maybe 0.5-1.5% of rebels who would have a shorter trip to go to Perth.

Population Area Proportion of Rebels Likeliness Percentage of Rebels Attending in Sydney
Greater Sydney & Greater Melbourne & Greater Perth 0.49 0.99 0.4851
Canberra, Wollongong, Newcastle, Geelong, Ballarat, Bendigo 0.07 0.85 0.0595
Rest of NSW and Vic 0.1 0.73 0.073
Adelaide 0.05 0.5 0.025
Brisbane, Gold Coast, Sunshine Coast, Toowoomba 0.145 0.5 0.0725
Rest of country 0.145 0.3 0.0435
Total: 0.7586

So here we’d have 76% or so participation in a major mobilisation.

Summary of Scenario Impacts on Participation

Scenario Participation Estimate
Sydney Only 58%
Sydney and Melbourne 70%
Sydney, Melbourne and Perth 76%

These numbers would vary depending on how optimistic or pessimistic you are about rebels’ willingness to travel over land. If you are more pessimistic, it favours multiple targets more heavily. If you are optimistic, it improves the balance for hitting one place. Here’s how the numbers popped out when I modified the likelihood of rebels to travel based on distance.

Scenario Participation (Pessimistic of Willingness to Travel) Participation (Optimistic of Willingness to Travel)
Sydney Only 48% 72%
Sydney and Melbourne 62% 80%
Sydney, Melbourne and Perth 69% 84%

Any way you cut it, the bottom line is that a Sydney, Melbourne and Perth option has much higher participation.

We could also look at population clusters that are highly distant from the above targets and make plans that include rebels in those areas. Some conspicuous clusters are Tasmania, Central and North Queensland, and Darwin. A plan to cover these areas could include Tasmanians blocking logging, Queenslanders stopping Adani and coal trains, and Darwinians doing something to block fracking in the NT, for example. This could improve participation even further, getting us up to 80 or 90% participation.

The next major thing to consider after participation would be what we think our mobilisations might be able to achieve in the target cities. I’ll leave that for further consideration in another post.

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#14

If only for the purpose of consciously rejecting it, raising here the option of a wave 3 disruption in Canberra (or more specifically, prolonged shut down of Parliament House during a sitting week in November or December). This would be a political disruption rather than economic - but with the same outcome in mind, ie an action which forces Government to take notice and act. It could be ‘the’ disruption if it is seen as attractive and only one location is the decision. Another option would be for it to happen after wave 3 action(s) in one or more state CBDs (although by that stage, exhaustion may mean not getting sufficient numbers in Canberra). Anyway - possible food for thought.

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#15

I think the Canberra option lacks the impact of disrupting a major financial hub. I think the aim is to disrupt the economy and business as usual so as to force the government into repsonding. While politicians are in Canberra it is not a major business hub - so the financial disruption would be minimal and consequently the need for them to repsond would not be as acute. Of course people could do actions in Canberra - but that would not create the dilema action that a week long blockade of Melbourne and Sydney would. The theory is: disrupt business as usual and create maximum national socio-politcial tension so the entire country comes to a standstill and focuses on XR - we want to be the focus of national media attention for a week as occured in the UK in April 2019. Canberra is unlikely to be the place to achieve this.

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#16

Yes - if the focus is on economic/financial disruption then Canberra is not a priority for AusMM - given it’s size and also, while lots of scope for improvement, the ACT government is way ahead of all other jurisdictions in terms of climate response (eg already 100% of electricity is from renewables and has strategy for phasing out gas) - so undertaking economic disruption in ACT could be seen as somewhat counterproductive. As noted in the original message, this would be a ‘political’ (rather than an economic/financial) disruption - shutting down and/or having mass arrests on capital hill would attract national media attention.
As indicated by plotinus, a main focus of XR internationally has been CBD disruption - and that may well be the best course of action for Australia - but given the flexibility inherent in XR DNA, we don’t have to explicitly follow this if it makes more sense here to do something different.
All that is being raised here, is that it is an option for consideration.
Before the Covid lockdown there was a national ‘Don’t Fund the Catastrophe’ XR action in the early planning stages for a mass mobilisation in Canberra with the aim for disrupting the May budget sitting. Maybe something to consider again for next year.

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#17

Sydney Melbourne and Perth would have higher participation but lower impact Vs state intrements of power (cops, jails, watch houses). But a mobilisation in all state capitals would have higher participation again. I think we need to remember that we are about generating maximum leverage by putting the state under pressure, splitting resources.
to get government to crack we gotta overpower the police and watch houses below are police numbers per state, I can’t find watch house capacities but we can assume they are similar
NSW police- 21K
Vic police - 21k
QLD police -11
WA police - 6.7K
If we mobilise in Sydney alone its 58% of us (according to manicmax) vs 21k , If its Melbs and Sydney its 70% of us Vs 42k police and if Perth is included as well its 76% Vs almost 50k police.
I think what we also have to consider is that those people are who willing to travel are also probably most likley to we willing to risk arrest so the 58% might be smaller but it also will probably have a higher percentage of people willing to take part in DA. Also a central/national mobilisation is a single national mobilisation, splitting like kinda by definition makes it a decentralised mobilsation.

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#18

What you say makes sense to me Plotinus

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#19

I’m not well informed re XR strategy but my thoughts nevertheless…

One city is not a national action. It took the PM many weeks of bushfires around the country to call a national emergency and get involved. He has talked puff about dealing with environmental protesters, (and bagged the states for not dealing with things) but when push comes to shove it is state police force’s problem. How severe would the impost need to be for the C/w to actually get involved? In non-violent action? Short of blockading an event of international significance (G20?), I don’t see them getting materially involved.

The discussion so far seems to be focused on ‘what’s the best we can do’. Is that what ‘Wave 3’ means? Or is Wave 3 supposed to be ‘what would it take to win’?

If it’s about mass mobilisaton and building movement then local seems better to me. Better participation opportunities. Better media too? Though having a focus centre with escalated disruption would possibly be more media worthy and more inspiring. (Dunno, just thoughts out loud.)

If it’s an actual federal response that’s needed, it makes sense to me to envisage what would actually force Commonwealth action and work backwards. And don’t bother pushing go until the result is plausible. And be clear about the strategy at each stage. Which is probably quite a different conversation? (I am assuming there isn’t already a 5 year plan which spells this out…) But I feel like if there was a solid end-goal strategy then we’d have an answer to the present question already…

#20

This sounds reasonable to me.
Yes the parliament has demonstrated this year that it’s happy not to meet if not convenient… But still, I feel like there needs to be at least a symbolic affront to the Commonwealth.
ESP if the relevant security forces answer to the Federal Government.

What about blockading MPs inside?

Or blockading a joint AUS-US hypersonic missile base?

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