If you feel up for it, but don’t burn yourself out. Zoom fatigue is a thing. We should get through some good project updates by that time though so you will get a good picture of where we are at. Happy to update you later though, we take good minuets.
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Doh, I just got this too late tonight, would love to have listened in on that action planning session, after a chat with Hugh and Chris I am under the impression that to get this pledge system up and running in a well structured and designed, permanently implemented and strongly secure kind of way we will need to let the IT guys thrash out the infrastructure solution for a bit amongst themselves and figure out how this would fit into the existing infrastructure… However, if there are no objections I think that a “Hacked together” trial on an action such as the one you are planning Violet may yield the more-complete list of requirements that can be implemented in the final “proper” version. Can I ask what the timeframe is for that action (I am guessing ASAP?)?
Do you have a link to the minutes from that meeting?
I think we could get something up and running that does the bare minimum functionality fairly quickly if we needed, even if it meant updating the number of pledgees manually and making the pledgee data available to a set person in the action planning team in that action? What do you all think?
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Hi there,
I was actioned to liaise with you all re the Pledge.
The action is planned to take place on June 20, so the timeframe for launching the pledge and promoting is very short, as we have decided the action date on the basis that we can hopefully have the Pledge website up and ready by early next week (June 1-3).
Do you think that’s feasible/how soon could the website be up if it is a “hacked together” trial?
In comparison roughly how long are you thinking it would take for a more fine-tuned one to be built?
However, due to the timeframe, I am sure that anything that can get up and running within the next week would be great.
Here are the running meeting minutes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vYvjHzsyD39YqUrhHN0Qd2HKF-D7-nRqy5eXnCC3rDo/edit?usp=sharing
Hi, the first thing I’d need is a temporary name for the URL (Happy to buy one ) for this trial rollout - I was thinking something like:
takethepledge.earth
rebelspledge.earth
pledgetoresist.earth
pledgetodefend.earth
suggestions?
Weren’t we going to use subdomain like pledge.ausrebellion.earth?
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That would be ideal, yes, and I expect that is where this will end up, not sure if it will happen fast enough to get this rolling for you all ASAP though, I will take this conversation back to Chris and Hugh (IT) and see what they think, I assume they will be monitoring this thread too…
Thanks for lowdown @Marco-4-Planet-Earth. That doesn’t give us much time at all — what’s driving the urgency? Is that a hard timeline or is there room to move?
If that’s all the time we’ve got, we’ll need to get clear together very quickly on:
- what is the MVP (minimum viable product) to get this over the line; and
- what features are only nice to have.
That wpengine site @Mad_Mattho set up, is that just a mockup or a working product? Are there plans to involve a designer to give it some polish? Or does the audience not matter too much here — who’s meant to see it?
Does this all make sense? Do you understand what I mean in terms of confirming requirements? It’s impossible to tell how long it will take to get something up until we confirm what “it” is supposed to be. If “it” is that wpengine site, then technically it’s already “up”, it just needs to be linked up to the subdomain. But it seems like that site isn’t ready, so let’s get clear what work is remaining.
I don’t think getting the pledge subdomain going will be a big deal (@HyperNexus correct me if I’m wrong).
Getting the pledge subdomain up can be done quickly. There’s no need to spend money on the domain.
As part of a regenerative culture we support the privacy of rebels. That means keeping their data safe and secure. There are rebels with higher security needs and so it’s important that we take this side of things seriously.
I think we would want an experienced developer to be assessing the security of the project. It’s worth flagging that:
- Wordpress is known to have security issues and may not be the best platform to build this on.
- organise.earth should not be used for Action Planning. Read more about this here.
It would make sense to deploy this onto the XR Australia branch server so that @xrauadmin is able to include in backups, ensure that software is appropriately updated, etc. Hosting on wpengine is not a good idea.
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Just flagging that I have checked in with the person who notified me about this. Will be sure to post updates in this thread.
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I just started this mindmap, I can invite you all to edit if you sign up to Miro, or else I can using a gmail account, will look at other options.
https://miro.com/app/board/o9J_krlJVoU=/
I made suggestion for using (Craft CMS / Limesurvey / Mailtrain) as opposed to (wordpress / wpforms / mailchimp) as a possible solution following on from a few conversations recently, but not my call…
Also suggest we discuss and try to form a concensus around pledge.ausrebellion.earth for the landing page URL?
Pledge Group Mandate - Google Sheets
I am currently adding in links for pages that I have done rough outlines for, I have a contact in AUSMM Media and Massaging (Gary) who will be going over the content text for each and every stage of final version prior to going live.
I have a Role in the mandate for someone to be the IT Guru that makes it look XR’ish.
I hope that we end up filling these roles, if interested please feel free to get involved, in terms of the SOS for this Project… This team / group is currently sitting inside the actions subgroup of the AusMM project as a sub-group, and has links to legals, M&M etc… Feel free to comment on the mandate / roles as well…
I should have mentioned that there’s not a hard timeline (only a preferred date was chosen at the last meeting which may have to be changed depending on website launch). The urgency seems to primarily come from the desire and ‘need’ for XR to ‘re-emerge’ with actions as soon as possible to give XR a key role in the narrative moving forward and play the emergency alarm role among others.
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I would say the MVP would be a website similar to the ‘wpengine’ one, with the essential features being; pledge button (which then asks whether people want to be involved in arrestable or non-arrestable action or a support role) and a financial support button. But @Vee might have more thoughts on this? (As with that website, i think the number of pledges, more info and obviously a form to upload contact info into is important.)
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So basically I think that mpengine website is suitable in its content, however, the one thing I think that should perhaps be different to the mpengine site is that; on the opening page there should be two boxes; 1. "Take the Pledge " or something similar and 2. “Pledge financial support.” So that people who take the pledge then indicate whether they want to pledge to take part in a arrestable or non arrestable action or as support (so three categories, since for the first day of action it is up to teams whether they get arrested or not, so I think its important theres a non arrestable option that is still an acton not support).
The Audience of the pledge will hopefully be a large demographic, due to the varying action entry levels.
I hope that answers some of your questions,
Sorry for the slow reply
Questions.docx (2.9 MB)
We would ideally like this up by the 5th June as the action date chosen is the 20th. This is the content of the pledge questions is attached - I think it’s very important to be able to embed the pictures with the action descriptions and to use XR colours on the pledge page.
The messaging team is due to have the copy for the page by Monday night 7pm - our next meeting, which I invite you to.
There will also be a promo video which would be great to be able to embed on the pledge page.
To the User experience:
page 1:
Video + approved copy
2 links Pledge and Donate
When they click pledge it goes to the webform with the questions attached
Hope that makes sense, please email me if you would like to get the zoom link for Mondays meeting.
Hi all, I have been doing some research and taking in the suggestions from everyone so far, I am thinking that we should all probably have a zoom meeting soon to discuss some of these issues in this thread, or I can Phone everyone individually? I will try and come into the Monday meeting @Vee if you can get me a link and time?
@Vee Violet and @Marco-4-Planet-Earth Marco I have read your comments above and what you are after can be done for you, I can’t get it done under a “best practices” scenario by then, but I could get you this functionality in a way that gets the job done, I am just a little apprehensive about not doing this the “best practices” way and offending anyone…
I thought I’d post a few links here to support the ways in which pledges work, A pledge is a “temporal landmark”, ( https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23066883/) to use one effectively, follow these suggestions based on feedback from trials (online pledges):
Do Pledges work?
A pledge can be a temporal landmark that spurs goal initiation when we signal the pledge action triggers a “new beginning”. (Our relationship to our government?, a new action-based self?). Creating and emphasizing a temporal landmark marking the beginning of a new time period increases people’s intentions to initiate goal pursuit. In addition, people’s strengthened motivation to begin pursuing their aspirations following such temporal landmarks originates in part from the psychological disassociation these landmarks induce from a person’s past, imperfect self.
I think the pledge itself is a temporal landmark, as is the final massive third wave of action we are building up to. I like the concept of “Strength in numbers, mass participation civil disobedience works, this changes everything!” to emphasize the size of this temporal landmark in all of our lives.
ALSO
After talking with Hugh we discussed failings with using Action Network for this purpose (lives on US server (bad 5 eyes), clause in XR contract to not use for illegal stuff or whole account is terminated) - an option was to use AN for forms and database but NOT for communicating the emails with content discussing breaking the law, use another mail app (mailtrain?). Also we discussed using a wordpress as a CMS and finding someone to “lock down the installation” - XR UK uses wordpress for main site…
Alternatively I suggested using something similar to what I have implemented using [ wordpress / wpforms / mailchimp ] by using inhouse installations of [ Craft CMS / Limesurvey / Mailtrain ].
Alternatively I remain completely open to hearing suggestions from anyone else of a suitable platform to do this on?
Peter,
This is beautiful. I love the idea of a temporal landmark.
Meeting information is:
Topic: (VC) Pledge
Time: Jun 1, 2020 07:30 PM Pacific/Guam
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Hi everyone, I had contact with the UK organisers of a group called Rebellion Weavers, who are in the process of making/launching a pledge, but are waiting for more definite times in regards to covid status to launch it, they pointed me to this form they are using on Action Network to gather info from people in a way that is “softer” than a full on pledge, for now.
https://actionnetwork.org/forms/nogoingback/
There are a lot of benefits to using AN, as it would make the job of cimmunicating with Pledgees simpler for teams already using AN for emails such as newsletters… I will ask them how they are delaing with the issues of using AN for communications that could potentially ask Rebels to break the law, and hence violate the AN user agreement… Will keep you posted.
The UK group is using pledging for arrestable actions with Action Network in this post too…
or this one wher ethey clearly discuss hurdreds of activists going to prison
Heya, you have an email with the a Wordpress person to make it pretty. 
Sweet, there is change on the horizon, an installation of “REBELS MANAGER” incorporating a mailtrain instance as well!!!
Here is a link to a demo and some screenshots.
Timeframe may be very soon as there are talented people working on it, this is great news.
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Unfortunately haven’t had any response on this at all. 
Yes, people are trying to get it rolling both locally and internationally.
Was just poking through the code repositories on GitLab and found one called Action Man by XR Finland. The repository description reads:
Enroll for actions under the condition that the number of participants reaches a certain threshold
It appears to have started development about a month ago. When I get some time I will pull down the code and give it a look. If it looks good then will check in with the developer. The person making commits appears to be on the XR Global Mattermost.
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FYI this is deployed, just need a local group willing to let me migrate their data onto it as part of a pre-release trial.